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		<title>By: Confused</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just that those 6 bench pitchers all go for around $1 so if i actually put in the machine that i need 12 those pitchers i can get for a dollar are counted as maybe even $10, and that money all comes out of the hitters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just that those 6 bench pitchers all go for around $1 so if i actually put in the machine that i need 12 those pitchers i can get for a dollar are counted as maybe even $10, and that money all comes out of the hitters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mays</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there are lots of ways you can manipulate the values, and that way sounds like as good as any.

However, I would still base my values on what the Price Guide indicates.  That might mean you&#039;ll miss out on the hitters.  But with no hitters on anyone&#039;s bench, you should be able to react more quickly off of the waiver wire.  (The people who paid more for hitters will be more hesitant to drop them than you are.)  You should be able to find some talent with less than 100 hitters drafted.

You might not drive up the prices for pitchers as much as they are needed, but you can make people spend a little bit more.  I think people will notice, especially if you dominate the pitching categories this year.  If you get, say, 35 points in pitching and maybe 20 in hitting, you should be near the top of your league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there are lots of ways you can manipulate the values, and that way sounds like as good as any.</p>
<p>However, I would still base my values on what the Price Guide indicates.  That might mean you&#8217;ll miss out on the hitters.  But with no hitters on anyone&#8217;s bench, you should be able to react more quickly off of the waiver wire.  (The people who paid more for hitters will be more hesitant to drop them than you are.)  You should be able to find some talent with less than 100 hitters drafted.</p>
<p>You might not drive up the prices for pitchers as much as they are needed, but you can make people spend a little bit more.  I think people will notice, especially if you dominate the pitching categories this year.  If you get, say, 35 points in pitching and maybe 20 in hitting, you should be near the top of your league.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because with those values in my league I won&#039;t get any hitters, even upper middle one&#039;s my lineup will be terrible. All the bench pitchers go for only a dollar so could i just plug in 6 pitchers and then change the negative 1&#039;s to one until i have 12x8 pitchers and take that amount of money used to do that off of hitters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because with those values in my league I won&#8217;t get any hitters, even upper middle one&#8217;s my lineup will be terrible. All the bench pitchers go for only a dollar so could i just plug in 6 pitchers and then change the negative 1&#8242;s to one until i have 12&#215;8 pitchers and take that amount of money used to do that off of hitters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mays</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Confused: A typical league has 14 hitters out of 23 players -- roughly 50% more hitters than pitchers.  So it&#039;s not surprising that two-thirds of the money is spent on hitters.

In your league, you have hitters to pitchers in about a 1:1 ratio...  It seems like a 50/50 split makes sense in that case.

There&#039;s currently no way to force a certain split, although I&#039;m sure you could adjust the values with a spreadsheet and some free time on your hands...  Why do you think you need to spend money like the rest of your league does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Confused: A typical league has 14 hitters out of 23 players &#8212; roughly 50% more hitters than pitchers.  So it&#8217;s not surprising that two-thirds of the money is spent on hitters.</p>
<p>In your league, you have hitters to pitchers in about a 1:1 ratio&#8230;  It seems like a 50/50 split makes sense in that case.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s currently no way to force a certain split, although I&#8217;m sure you could adjust the values with a spreadsheet and some free time on your hands&#8230;  Why do you think you need to spend money like the rest of your league does?</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.k my league is small (8 teams) we have:
1 C
1 1b
1 2b
1 3b
1 MI
1 CI
4 OF
1 UTIL

6 P
7 Bench

What happens is basically everyone loads the bench with pitchers the average team has about 12 pitchers, basically all their bench. WHen i plug it in for the price calculator do i put pitchers in at 6 or 12...whenever i put it in at 6 it automatically puts the split at 49/51 in favour of pitching. MY league follows a traditional 70/30 split even with excess pitchers so my values are messed, How can I manually force it to do a 70/30 or 60/40 split. Or should i just not count the bench?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.k my league is small (8 teams) we have:<br />
1 C<br />
1 1b<br />
1 2b<br />
1 3b<br />
1 MI<br />
1 CI<br />
4 OF<br />
1 UTIL</p>
<p>6 P<br />
7 Bench</p>
<p>What happens is basically everyone loads the bench with pitchers the average team has about 12 pitchers, basically all their bench. WHen i plug it in for the price calculator do i put pitchers in at 6 or 12&#8230;whenever i put it in at 6 it automatically puts the split at 49/51 in favour of pitching. MY league follows a traditional 70/30 split even with excess pitchers so my values are messed, How can I manually force it to do a 70/30 or 60/40 split. Or should i just not count the bench?</p>
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		<title>By: neoforce</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rwperu34 grocery store analogy, where he buys generic makes sense in standard leagues because as he says there are always waiver wire pitching values during the year.  I think that is the main reason the standard fantasy advice is to focus more on hitting.

But in deep leagues (AL/NL only, or 16-20 team leagues) you can&#039;t do that.  The waiver wire is harder to work.  In those cases, you may want to consider a contrary strategy, actually bumping pitchers up by a buck because they are undervalued.  Why undervalued?  Owners read/listen to the overwhelming fantasy advice to avoid pitchers which is valid on a standard mixed league, even though they are in a deep league where it might not apply as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rwperu34 grocery store analogy, where he buys generic makes sense in standard leagues because as he says there are always waiver wire pitching values during the year.  I think that is the main reason the standard fantasy advice is to focus more on hitting.</p>
<p>But in deep leagues (AL/NL only, or 16-20 team leagues) you can&#8217;t do that.  The waiver wire is harder to work.  In those cases, you may want to consider a contrary strategy, actually bumping pitchers up by a buck because they are undervalued.  Why undervalued?  Owners read/listen to the overwhelming fantasy advice to avoid pitchers which is valid on a standard mixed league, even though they are in a deep league where it might not apply as much.</p>
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		<title>By: rwperu34</title>
		<link>http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/examining-the-7030-split/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>rwperu34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ties in nicely to the other post on inflation. The Price Guide reccomends that I have a 61/49 split, but I go 70/30. I&#039;ll explain.

I&#039;ll liken it to when I go to the grocery store to buy some Bran Flakes. I have to choose between the $4 name brand and $2 store brand. To me, they both taste the same, so the choice is pretty obvious. You would be amazed at how many poeple out there will say, &quot;It&#039;s only $2, what&#039;s the difference?&quot; Well, if I eat 50 boxes of ceral a year, that 100 after tax dollars. Of course I don&#039;t have an extra $100 in my pocket at the end of the year. I take that $100 and use it to buy premium items that I want, like steak instead of hamburger. 

So it is in fantasy baseball. You don&#039;t want to spend money on something you can get for free. In my league, to be a #3 starter you have to provide at least $8 worth of value. But I would never spend $8 on an $8 pitcher. Why? Because 11 of the top 37 starting pitchers in 2008 came off of the wiaver wire. This is not an unusual situation. So why pay $8 for a #3 starter? On top of that, starting pitching values vary so wildly from week to week, it&#039;s not all that uncommon to have a top 15 starter ($20) available on the wiaver wire!

So what I do is calculate the $values in a similar manner to the Price Guide, which comes out at exactly 61/39. Then, I take every starting pitcher worth $10 or less and move them down to $1. Then I take that money and spend it on elite offense. Thus, I can be &quot;inefficient&quot; and overpay for top flight hitting talent and still put together a very good pitching staff. The final tally usually ends up having an extra 9-10% shifted from pitching to hitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ties in nicely to the other post on inflation. The Price Guide reccomends that I have a 61/49 split, but I go 70/30. I&#8217;ll explain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll liken it to when I go to the grocery store to buy some Bran Flakes. I have to choose between the $4 name brand and $2 store brand. To me, they both taste the same, so the choice is pretty obvious. You would be amazed at how many poeple out there will say, &#8220;It&#8217;s only $2, what&#8217;s the difference?&#8221; Well, if I eat 50 boxes of ceral a year, that 100 after tax dollars. Of course I don&#8217;t have an extra $100 in my pocket at the end of the year. I take that $100 and use it to buy premium items that I want, like steak instead of hamburger. </p>
<p>So it is in fantasy baseball. You don&#8217;t want to spend money on something you can get for free. In my league, to be a #3 starter you have to provide at least $8 worth of value. But I would never spend $8 on an $8 pitcher. Why? Because 11 of the top 37 starting pitchers in 2008 came off of the wiaver wire. This is not an unusual situation. So why pay $8 for a #3 starter? On top of that, starting pitching values vary so wildly from week to week, it&#8217;s not all that uncommon to have a top 15 starter ($20) available on the wiaver wire!</p>
<p>So what I do is calculate the $values in a similar manner to the Price Guide, which comes out at exactly 61/39. Then, I take every starting pitcher worth $10 or less and move them down to $1. Then I take that money and spend it on elite offense. Thus, I can be &#8220;inefficient&#8221; and overpay for top flight hitting talent and still put together a very good pitching staff. The final tally usually ends up having an extra 9-10% shifted from pitching to hitting.</p>
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