Comments on: Tiering Up, Part II http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/tiering-up-part-ii/ Fantasy Baseball Dollar Values, Rankings, and Discussion Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:09:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rwperu34 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/tiering-up-part-ii/#comment-286 rwperu34 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:22:58 +0000 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/?p=547#comment-286 I like the category idea too. Usually I just go for straight value at the draft and deal with the categories later, but it makes some sense to shore up a weakness or two when all the players are worth virtually the same, especialy in a non keeper league. I'm trying to visulize how I could incorporate that into my spreadsheet. The only real issue I have with this is, I'd have to do some extra work in keeping track of my team's categoires;) I like the category idea too. Usually I just go for straight value at the draft and deal with the categories later, but it makes some sense to shore up a weakness or two when all the players are worth virtually the same, especialy in a non keeper league. I’m trying to visulize how I could incorporate that into my spreadsheet. The only real issue I have with this is, I’d have to do some extra work in keeping track of my team’s categoires;)

]]> By: rwperu34 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/tiering-up-part-ii/#comment-285 rwperu34 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:12:31 +0000 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/?p=547#comment-285 F is pretty easy. It's the old sucky veteran without upside that you don't want to draft unless you get completely hosed at a position. Of the players on that list, Lowell, Mora, Kouzmanoff, Cantu, and Reynolds would be in that category. Separating between C and D is a little more difficult. Even a $10 player is going to be farily easy to replace, so you realy shouldn't be spending much money on them. When you can't get one on the wiaver wire, they are very easy to pick up in a trade. With my strategy, I'm focusing mostly on upside at this point in the draft/auction, so that's how I usually distinguish. I guess you could say that group C is either an average player (median?) with a lot of risk (injury, PT, or otherwise) or a fringe player with a lot of upside. For example, of those players, I'd have Gordon in group C, even though he's only listed at $1. Aside from keeper potential, he's a guy that could blow up far beyond what would be available on the waiver wire. I'd also probably have Zimmerman in group C. Even though he's still got some upside, he comes with extra risk. Beltre is another that would be in group C. He's steady and good. Not much upside or downside. You don't mind getting "stuck" with him as your starter, but you probably don't want to spend too much. Maybe the scale should be; below average $1-$10, fringe/upside $1-$6, and fringe $1? F is pretty easy. It’s the old sucky veteran without upside that you don’t want to draft unless you get completely hosed at a position. Of the players on that list, Lowell, Mora, Kouzmanoff, Cantu, and Reynolds would be in that category.

Separating between C and D is a little more difficult. Even a $10 player is going to be farily easy to replace, so you realy shouldn’t be spending much money on them. When you can’t get one on the wiaver wire, they are very easy to pick up in a trade. With my strategy, I’m focusing mostly on upside at this point in the draft/auction, so that’s how I usually distinguish.

I guess you could say that group C is either an average player (median?) with a lot of risk (injury, PT, or otherwise) or a fringe player with a lot of upside. For example, of those players, I’d have Gordon in group C, even though he’s only listed at $1. Aside from keeper potential, he’s a guy that could blow up far beyond what would be available on the waiver wire. I’d also probably have Zimmerman in group C. Even though he’s still got some upside, he comes with extra risk. Beltre is another that would be in group C. He’s steady and good. Not much upside or downside. You don’t mind getting “stuck” with him as your starter, but you probably don’t want to spend too much.

Maybe the scale should be; below average $1-$10, fringe/upside $1-$6, and fringe $1?

]]> By: Mays http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/tiering-up-part-ii/#comment-284 Mays Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:31:52 +0000 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/?p=547#comment-284 Do you have any good way of distinguishing between tiers C, D, and F? As I mention above, it seems like most positions don't have many gaps between players under $12. Do you have any good way of distinguishing between tiers C, D, and F? As I mention above, it seems like most positions don’t have many gaps between players under $12.

]]> By: rwperu34 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/tiering-up-part-ii/#comment-283 rwperu34 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:07:07 +0000 http://www.lastplayerpicked.com/?p=547#comment-283 I'm going back to a tier system for the first time in years. I'm glad I learned how to do a price guide of my own, but now it's time to add back in the human element. This is what my groups will look like; A+=Superduperstar $55+ A=Superstar $35-$49 B+=Star $25-$34 B=Above Average $18-$24 C+=Average $11-$17 C=Below Average $6-$10 D=Fringe/Upside $1-$5 F=Fringe $1 P=Prospect Don't forget, my price guide uses "true replacement" instead of last player picked. That's why the superstars are worth so much more. Players in the average and below average group should come at a discount. The top of the fringe and the bottom of below average is a pretty good representation of replacement level on offense. Random thought related to another topic. Perhaps tiering is responsible for the elite SPs dropping so far in drafts? If you rate Sabathia, Lincecum, Peavy, and Santana all fairly close, there isn't much incentive to jump on the first of the group. Ideally you'd be the last to pick a player out of any given tier. I’m going back to a tier system for the first time in years. I’m glad I learned how to do a price guide of my own, but now it’s time to add back in the human element.

This is what my groups will look like;

A+=Superduperstar $55+
A=Superstar $35-$49
B+=Star $25-$34
B=Above Average $18-$24
C+=Average $11-$17
C=Below Average $6-$10
D=Fringe/Upside $1-$5
F=Fringe $1
P=Prospect

Don’t forget, my price guide uses “true replacement” instead of last player picked. That’s why the superstars are worth so much more.

Players in the average and below average group should come at a discount. The top of the fringe and the bottom of below average is a pretty good representation of replacement level on offense.

Random thought related to another topic. Perhaps tiering is responsible for the elite SPs dropping so far in drafts? If you rate Sabathia, Lincecum, Peavy, and Santana all fairly close, there isn’t much incentive to jump on the first of the group. Ideally you’d be the last to pick a player out of any given tier.

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